New Subclade E-Z365

New Subclade Found In Haplogroup E

I had taken this article down some time ago. However, I am seeing new sites and forums that actually quote from this article and my research.

originally published in June,2013

This was originally thought to be a West African specific haplogroup, however this has changed within the last few years. An influx of people, who identify themselves as Caucasian, are showing up with this haplogroup. This theory was eventually proven fact when the Pharaoh Ramses/ Ramesses III was determined to be E1b1a. Ramses’ father, Userkhaure-setepenre Setnakhte (or Setnakht) was the first king of the 20th dynasty and a “usurper” to the throne. Most likely he was of paternal Berber lineage.




Clearly, he was not of sub-Saharan African origin. We know now the progenitor of the E1b1a lineage was a Caucasoid phenotype. The E1b1a haplogroup is spread among the peoples of Northern and Western Africa, but several haplotypes of Europeans, who have E1b1a, do not have Black African ancestry. These haplotypes are elder lines in the tree, and are becoming more frequent among Italian, Spanish, Portuguese, French and British men. Many still claim this is due to the Arab slave trade, but those taken during this time were exclusively female for the ruling classes’ harems. Hence, any argument regarding a Y chromosome is null, as Y is only passed along male-to-male lines.


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This branch of the E haplogroup lineage, E-Z365, was born in North Africa about 15,000 years ago. As the Sahara dried, many of the E1b1a lineage migrated south into sub-Saharan Africa, while the Caucasoid branch (E-Z365) remained in North Africa. More recently, some of our relatives took part in the spread across much of Southern and Central Europe. This is evident by three SNPs discovered (Z148, Z191, and Z365) which do not exist in sub-Saharan Africans or their descendants.



The new SNPs were discovered by National Geographic Geno 2.0. SNPs for the Illumina iSelect HD chip platform one and a half years ago. The resulting chip includes approximately 146,000 SNPs. In addition:
<blockquote>”they were vetted against Family Tree DNA’s ‘Walk Through the Y’ samples. Many new terminal branches will be gained and, according to Bennett Greenspan, this will completely replace the deep clade test currently offered by Family Tree DNA.”</blockquote>
This <a href=”; target=”_blank”>link </a>is for an E1b1a group. It shows participants from the Geno 2.0 Project.


I am EZ365


And with subsequent <a href=”; target=”_blank”>SNP testing</a>.


Testing positive for Z148+, Z191+, Z365+ are N98448 = Clark; earliest known ancestor Beau/David leclerc/Clark 1700s

France haplogroup E1b1a B2455= haplogroup E1b1a7a M191

At this DNA group no other E1b1a or subclades have the SNPs Z148+, Z191+, Z365+

Testing positive for <a href=”; target=”_blank”>Z148+, Z191+, Z365+</a> at [] are listed with E1b1b1a1 and E1b1b1a1b ; members of E-M78 and E-M84.

I have reached the same outcome as the other groups; that only subclades of E1b1b carry these SNPs within the E haplogroups with the exception of the anomalous <a href=”; target=”_blank”>E1b1a subclades</a> at

There is one more E1b1a subclade, once again from France:

N28521 = Martin earliest ancestor; Jean Martin (1630 Périgueux, Dordogne, Aquitaine, France haplogroup E1b1a8.

In conclusion we know that the progenitor of the E1b1a (Z148+, Z191+, Z365+), that we have named E-Z365 lineage is exclusively Caucasian/European . Research is still ongoing, so nothing as of yet is “written in stone”.

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24 comments on “New Subclade E-Z365

  1. While I find it questionable if the E1b1a progenitor was “Caucasoid,” this is worthwhile information for further study and investigation, nonetheless. Interestingly though, since a teenager, I’ve had an affinity for the Druids beliefs and practices. Nice blog…

    • No, I tested with National Geographic GENO 2.0 which tested many SNPs not covered by FTDNA. I found that I was SNP positive in several other haplogroups. Most notably R-U106 and I-M223. The defining ones though are listed in the article

    • From what I’ve read, it is the same as E-CTS6620 or E1b1a1a1d1 P277, U209 (formerly E1b1a8a). I don’t know about its ancient origins, as I’ve not studied it extensively.

  2. I’m Haplogroup E1b1a7a Angolan Congolese Turkey Armenia Sudan Egypt Ukraine and Russia. I believe my family are Sephardic. Haplogroup E1b1a is around 8 to 9 percent Sephardim

    • Yes, I believe that to be so. I have read that Sephardic E1b1a ranges from 4-9%. It would be great if you traced your lineage to one of those groups.

      • I’m still searching with Ancestry. I have less one percent Iberian Peninsula which is Spain and Portugal aka Sephardic. On my Heritage. I have 1.9 Central American. Mostly are Mestizo. A Mestizo in this time is Spaniard mixed with Indian. In the 12-13 century a Mestizo was known as Sephardic Jew OT Egyptian.

  3. Also on Ancestry I have less than one percent North African blood which is Possible Sephardic. Also one percent Central Asian Ancestry which is Iran Afghanistan Pakistan. Armenia and Turkey are in those regions. E m96 is Turkey of Anatolia. I took a test for National geographic y DNA. I am waiting for results so I get a better understanding of it.

    • Hi Shawn, Thanks for the info. I haven’t been on here or in the arena of study in quite some time. Hard to tell sometimes if the Sephardic Spaniard or Portuguese is showing up as Mexican Mestizo, if it was a small group with a rare haplotype.
      Feel free to post once those Nat Geo results come back

  4. Both the Ladinos (Spanish Jews) which is the Jews that came from Spain came to the Americas during the Spanish Inquisition. In 1496 the Lancados went to N and West Africa Europe Turkey and Italy. Which are the Portuguese Jews

  5. I got my results back from national geographic . It’s E U186 Haplogroup it’s 79 percent West African 5 Percent East African 5 Southwestern Europe Iberian Peninsula (Possible Sephardim) 5 Northwest Europe 2 percent North America and Andes

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