New Subclade Found In Haplogroup E
I had taken this article down some time ago. However, I am seeing new sites and forums that actually quote from this article and my research.
originally published in June,2013
This was originally thought to be a West African specific haplogroup, however this has changed within the last few years. An influx of people, who identify themselves as Caucasian, are showing up with this haplogroup. This theory was eventually proven fact when the Pharaoh Ramses/ Ramesses III was determined to be E1b1a. Ramses’ father, Userkhaure-setepenre Setnakhte (or Setnakht) was the first king of the 20th dynasty and a “usurper” to the throne. Most likely he was of paternal Berber lineage.
Clearly, he was not of sub-Saharan African origin. We know now the progenitor of the E1b1a lineage was a Caucasoid phenotype. The E1b1a haplogroup is spread among the peoples of Northern and Western Africa, but several haplotypes of Europeans, who have E1b1a, do not have Black African ancestry. These haplotypes are elder lines in the tree, and are becoming more frequent among Italian, Spanish, Portuguese, French and British men. Many still claim this is due to the Arab slave trade, but those taken during this time were exclusively female for the ruling classes’ harems. Hence, any argument regarding a Y chromosome is null, as Y is only passed along male-to-male lines.
This branch of the E haplogroup lineage, E-Z365, was born in North Africa about 15,000 years ago. As the Sahara dried, many of the E1b1a lineage migrated south into sub-Saharan Africa, while the Caucasoid branch (E-Z365) remained in North Africa. More recently, some of our relatives took part in the spread across much of Southern and Central Europe. This is evident by three SNPs discovered (Z148, Z191, and Z365) which do not exist in sub-Saharan Africans or their descendants.
The new SNPs were discovered by National Geographic Geno 2.0. SNPs for the Illumina iSelect HD chip platform one and a half years ago. The resulting chip includes approximately 146,000 SNPs. In addition:
<blockquote>”they were vetted against Family Tree DNA’s ‘Walk Through the Y’ samples. Many new terminal branches will be gained and, according to Bennett Greenspan, this will completely replace the deep clade test currently offered by Family Tree DNA.”</blockquote>
This <a href=”http://www.familytreedna.com/public/E1b1a/default.aspx?section=yresults” target=”_blank”>link </a>is for an E1b1a group. It shows participants from the Geno 2.0 Project.
http://www.familytreedna.com/public/E1b1a/default.aspx?section=yresults
And with subsequent SNP testing
http://www.familytreedna.com/public/E1b1a/default.aspx?section=ysnp” target=”_blank”>
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Testing positive for Z148+, Z191+, Z365+ are N98448 = Clark; earliest known ancestor Beau/David leclerc/Clark 1700s
France haplogroup E1b1a B2455= haplogroup E1b1a7a M191
At this DNA group no other E1b1a or subclades have the SNPs Z148+, Z191+, Z365+
Testing positive for <a href=”http://www.familytreedna.com/public/e3b/default.aspx?section=ysnp” target=”_blank”>Z148+, Z191+, Z365+</a> at [http://www.familytreedna.com/public/e3b/default.aspx?section=ysnp] are listed with E1b1b1a1 and E1b1b1a1b ; members of E-M78 and E-M84.
I have reached the same outcome as the other groups; that only subclades of E1b1b carry these SNPs within the E haplogroups with the exception of the anomalous <a href=”http://www.familytreedna.com/public/frenchheritage/default.aspx?section=ysnp” target=”_blank”>E1b1a subclades</a> at http://www.familytreedna.com/public/frenchheritage/default.aspx?section=ysnp
There is one more E1b1a subclade, once again from France:
N28521 = Martin earliest ancestor; Jean Martin (1630 Périgueux, Dordogne, Aquitaine, France haplogroup E1b1a8.
In conclusion we know that the progenitor of the E1b1a (Z148+, Z191+, Z365+), that we have named E-Z365 lineage is exclusively Caucasian/European . Research is still ongoing, so nothing as of yet is “written in stone”.
UPDATE:
Over 5 years after discovering the significance of these SNPs, Z148+, Z191+, Z365+, FTDNA has stolen my work and given these SNPs over to the R1b haplogroup.
Here is the pathetic email response from FTDNA. No doubt Roberta Estes had a hand in this. The truth is, she has nothing to fear; I am not paid for my research and she is. (Though I have no idea why… She has no scholarly training and considers failed art student Aaron Brown, a geneticist)
It stands to reason that these location markers transcend haplogroups, therefore I must be…R1b-U106?
Anomalous results such as this are being covered up for a reason. What is the reason that one would deny what they do not understand?
I am Druidikal for a very specific conscious decision.
RECENT UPDATE:
YFULL has found that our new haplogroup E-Y131307 is negative for SNPs Z148, Z191, and Z365 (courtesy of FTDNA)
Yet, we are positive for BY3571 ? How does this make sense?
BY3571 has been found in
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| Y-Haplogroup: |  E-Y131307  |
| Term
-inal SNPs: |
BY3571 • BY82597 • BZ355 • SK1733 • Y131293 • Y131304 • Y131307 • Y131308 • Y131309 • Y131310 • Y131311 • Y131316 • Y131317 • Y131318 • Y131319 • Y131320 • Y131324 • Y131325 • Y131326 • Y131331 • Y131334 • Y131335 • Y131337 • Y131338 • Y131345 • Y131346 • Y131348 • Y131674 • Y135518 |
FTDNA R1b-L20/Z34 Z367 SNP Pack
SNPs included in the R1b – Z367 SNP Pack
Includes the following SNPs on the haplotree:
U152, L2, Z49, Z367, Z384, L20, CTS4069, CTS9044, Z259, Z276, PF7623, Z383, PF6658, BY2171, BY3554, BY3555, BY3556, BY3557, BY3558, BY3559, BY3560, BY3561, BY3563, BY3564, BY3566, BY3567, BY3569, BY3570, BY3571, BY3572, BY3573, BY3576, BY3578, BY3579, BY3580, BY3581, BY3583, BY3584, BY3588, BY3591, BY3592, BY3593, BY3594, BY3596, BY3597, BY3598, BY3599, BY3600, BY3601, BY3603, BY3604, A7082, A7083, A7084, CTS9733, FGC17181, FGC17183, FGC17184, FGC17185, FGC17186, FGC17188, FGC17189, FGC17190, FGC17193, FGC17194, FGC17196, FGC17199, FGC17203, FGC20759, S10708, S11761, S1505, S15633, S20363, S9635, Y15103, Y15104, Y15105, Y15106, Y15107, Y15108, Y6789, Y6790, Y6791, Y6792, YSC0000193, Z1910, Z1911, Z275, Z291, Z33, Z34, PR4567, S1595, S1601, S1603, S1605, S1610, BY5690, BY5689, BY5688, BY5691
BY3571 08380023-G-A
https://isogg.org/wiki/BY_SNPs_0K
| BY3571 | 8511982 | G to A |
Druidikal Roots 
While I find it questionable if the E1b1a progenitor was “Caucasoid,” this is worthwhile information for further study and investigation, nonetheless. Interestingly though, since a teenager, I’ve had an affinity for the Druids beliefs and practices. Nice blog…
By “Caucasoid”, I’m referring to phenotype, not race. It’s still only a theory from my own research
For clarity sake, i met no offense. I think this is very interesting and appreciate the research you’ve shared thus far.
I am Muddman
Good day, Are you saying that may people that are being designated as Y Hg = R1b are more accurately Hg= E1b1a? Would this include those labeled R1b in the Philippines?
Not necessarily, I’m just finding R1b designated SNPs downstream in E haplogroups. In the Phillipines, an R1b is most likely from the Spaniards or other Europeans that settled or were stationed there during the many wars. Unless the R1b is V88, then it is African. Most of the subclades of E-M2 are sub-sahraran African in origin, only a small amount, think about less than 1% have European origins while a great deal have origins in Arabian peninsula.
https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-M2/
The Trans-Saharan slave trade took place between the 7th and early 20th century. The man who is the most recent common ancestor of this E-M2 line is estimated to have been born around 15,000 BC.
The claim that caucasians having haplogroup E having no sub saharan is a lie I have a DNA match on my 23andMe list who 96% European and 3.3 Sub Saharan!
Since you have one match that says this or that…my whole article and all of of my research is wrong?
Are you BigY tested?
No, I tested with National Geographic GENO 2.0 which tested many SNPs not covered by FTDNA. I found that I was SNP positive in several other haplogroups. Most notably R-U106 and I-M223. The defining ones though are listed in the article
Hmmm. Then, what is your confirmed haplogroup, if i may ask?
E-U186(NG) and E-U174(ftdna)
Same as mine as well, though we have a difference terminal SNP. Still, we’re distant brothers.
Indeed we are
What is E-M4254?
From what I’ve read, it is the same as E-CTS6620 or E1b1a1a1d1 P277, U209 (formerly E1b1a8a). I don’t know about its ancient origins, as I’ve not studied it extensively.
I’m Haplogroup E1b1a7a Angolan Congolese Turkey Armenia Sudan Egypt Ukraine and Russia. I believe my family are Sephardic. Haplogroup E1b1a is around 8 to 9 percent Sephardim
Yes, I believe that to be so. I have read that Sephardic E1b1a ranges from 4-9%. It would be great if you traced your lineage to one of those groups.
I’m still searching with Ancestry. I have less one percent Iberian Peninsula which is Spain and Portugal aka Sephardic. On my Heritage. I have 1.9 Central American. Mostly are Mestizo. A Mestizo in this time is Spaniard mixed with Indian. In the 12-13 century a Mestizo was known as Sephardic Jew OT Egyptian.
Also on Ancestry I have less than one percent North African blood which is Possible Sephardic. Also one percent Central Asian Ancestry which is Iran Afghanistan Pakistan. Armenia and Turkey are in those regions. E m96 is Turkey of Anatolia. I took a test for National geographic y DNA. I am waiting for results so I get a better understanding of it.
Hi Shawn, Thanks for the info. I haven’t been on here or in the arena of study in quite some time. Hard to tell sometimes if the Sephardic Spaniard or Portuguese is showing up as Mexican Mestizo, if it was a small group with a rare haplotype.
Feel free to post once those Nat Geo results come back
Mexicans are Israelites, how do you think the 10 commandments written in Paleo ended up there. Also, how do you think the giant collosal heads with big lips and noses got there in America.
Thanks for your comment Yahmar Yahudah.
The Paleo 10 Commandments are quite an anomaly , no doubt. It doesn’t prove Mexicans are Jewish anymore than the ancient Hebrew writing found in Tennessee proves the inhabitants there are absolute Jews. I have often wondered if many Native Americans weren’t ancient Israelis.
http://www.ancient-hebrew.org/ancientman/1055.html
The “giant colossal heads with big lips and noses” found in Mexico from the Olmec civilization looks to me to be of Polynesian origin. I wouldn’t be surprised at ancient African mariners, but it’s not likely until concrete, hard evidence proves it. I understand that modern scientists don’t want to rock the boat and much is being covered up; so I wouldn’t rule rule out an advanced sub-Saharan African civilization in America.
Did you know that the Melungeon people of the southern Appalachians had an origin theory that said they were everything from Phoenicians,Carthaginians and Aztecs. Did you also know that they have a strain of west African dna in their paternal lines?
I believe the smaller the region the direct origin. Not the bigger number because thats the basically migration.
Both the Ladinos (Spanish Jews) which is the Jews that came from Spain came to the Americas during the Spanish Inquisition. In 1496 the Lancados went to N and West Africa Europe Turkey and Italy. Which are the Portuguese Jews
Portuguese Jews same as Angolans came to the Americas.
I got my results back from national geographic . It’s E U186 Haplogroup it’s 79 percent West African 5 Percent East African 5 Southwestern Europe Iberian Peninsula (Possible Sephardim) 5 Northwest Europe 2 percent North America and Andes
That’s great Shawn thanks for keeping me posted
E1b1a was a Sub Sahara African haplogroup. Heavy large frequency and low frequency in North and less out of Africa but soon as Ramses lll was Eb1b1a it is change to Caucasian. Yes the Moors took European males as slaves send them to North Africa many were slaves in Mali west Africa.
The E-Z265 is now given to the R1b haplogroup. E1b1a is not definitely sub-Saharan west African. The progenitor is Caucasoid as are all human ancestors. Some of the carriers moved to Europe in ancient times, while many back migrated into west Africa where they bred with the daughters of A and B males, The reason for frequency is mutations and higher birthrates in Africa,
You are not serious are you? This is a ridiculous article.
What is a Caucasian, and what it is mean?? I’m gay and have a jewish boyfriend but that dont matter now
You post a pic of a mummified Ram skull head, who who has blick skin and you say he’s not bleck?
Guess what genuis, white people don’t turn black when they are mummified, they turn to the color of sweet molasses?? oh no. You should probably take this article down again. I really like lemonparty.com. Hot dudes getting the dick in the mouth, makes me hungry.
hmm where did white people come from??
sir.
gtfooh
Just saw this “emit”; to each their own, have a nice day.
The Haplogroup E1b1a was african sub-saharan origin.
Pr Steve Jones say One white Britons in five has black blood.
Could be from the Romans, a Neolithic excursion, trade with the Phoenicians or from more recent black immigration to the UK.
E1b1a migrated en masse back into Africa from N.Africa and the Middle East overtaking the indigenous A and B haplogroups.
Look at the yfull page:
https://yfull.com/tree/E-M2/
Some have said it is from the Arab Slave Trade, but considering the males involved were castrated, it would be impossible to spread their y chromosomes.
The Haplogroup E1b1a was african sub-saharan origin like sickle cell.
Pr Steve Jones say One white Britons in five has black blood.
Incidence of E-M2 in Asia
Population group frequency References
Saudi Arabians 6.6% (11/157)
Omanis 6.6% (8/121)
Emiratis 5.5% (9/164)
Yemenis 4.8% (3/62)
Cypriots 3.2% (2/62)
Southern Iranians 1.7% (2/117)
Jordanians 1.4% (2/139)
Sri Lanka 1.4% (9/638)
Aeolian Islands, Italy 1.2% (1/81)
Interesting about the Aeolians.
1600–1250 BC
During the Bronze Age, the Aeolians prospered by means of maritime commerce in an area which extended from Mycenae to the British Isles, from where tin was imported. Villages on the Aeolian islands flourished on Capo Graziano (Filicudi), Castello (Lipari), Serro dei Cianfi (Salina), Capo Milazzese (Panarea), and Portella (Salina). All these settlements were destroyed by new Italic invasions in 1250 BC.
Personally, I believe this particular strain of E, which is now E-SK1733 is associated with the Balari of Corsica.
Who is Pr Steve Jones and what are his credentials to make such an erroneous claim?
Steve Jones was an English geneticist from the 1970s until the early 2000s when he retired. I agree with everything you wrote. You are so right and a genius on DNA.
I looked up Steve Jones and he is a hack. First of all,he’s radical left-wing atheist. Anything those cretins spew I take with a grain of salt.
it should be taken with a grain of salt, because it will not go your way. If the E1b1a haplogroup is present even in England it is quite simply because many have black ancestors, as argued by David Macritchie, historian and ethnologist of the British Isles. This haplogroup E like A or other black genetic markers like Rh0 or Rhd*Dau are also present in white people.
I don’t think David Macrithie is a very reliable source. I don’t buy into the afro-centric nonsense. He was a great folklorist and antiquarian,but not an historian or a geneticist. Every person has the SNP M168 which indicates an out of Africa origin. Those with E-M2 originated in Egypt and many back migrated into all other areas of Africa where the dominant Y haplogroups were A and B. E-M2 took those over thus the majority group in sub-Saharan Africa. It should also be noted that the so-called dark skinned early Europeans don’t have any African haplogroups and many have been redesignated.
https://rumble.com/v3t997s-britain-is-so-desperate-for-famous-blacks-it-invents-them.html
Many black African markers have been found in Europe. Everywhere in Europe where you find haplogroup E, there will be other black African markers alongside it, while European markers are almost absent in Africa. Moreover, the D0 of DE proved that the E is definitely of African origin.
E-M2 likely originated in Egypt with other E clades with the exception of E-V13 which originated in the Balkans. I recently had some SNPs tested and I am positive for E-V13. I did find some alledged SSA genes in Neolithic Europe which negates a west African origin for some E-M2 subclades such as E-U175.
You can say what you want and persist, but as geneticists like Pilli argue, DE and CT are not related; the former originates from Africa and the latter originates from Eurasia.
Others like Haber say that the DE which descends from the CT is indeed native to Africa because of the fact that the D0, another branch of the DE, is exclusively found in West Africa where the highest rate of E is found. plus the greatest diversity in the sector.
Just like the rhd*DAU, certain variants of which appeared and evolved outside of Africa because of the ancient presence of this marker in other regions of the world, well the same goes for the E, certain subclades have evolved in Europe, others in North Africa, others in the Middle East but that does not prevent the E, descending from DE, from sub-Saharan Africa just like Rh*DAU.
So what you say about the E-M2 is not surprising, it is because of the very old presence of this branch outside of Africa.
And you can persist and once I tire of your prattle, I’ll just block your comments. For now, I need a good laugh. There are branches of E that did originate in SSA. Not everything that’s African is black. You can’t refute anything I write. Bring every He-bro wishraelite garbage you can.
Initially, my problem was with people like the lady that runs DNAXplained. She isn’t a scientist or a geneticist and neither is E-V38 admin A-A Ron Brown. There are white guys who turn up with an E1b1a subclade and the natural reaction is that they have a recent black man on the direct paternal line.
This is where autosomal helps. The y-chromosome accounts for 2% of a man’s dna, so why isn’t west Africa showing up more clearly on their autosomal tests? It must be at least 2%. Ancestry and MyHeritage both have y chromosome alleles.
You can find it here:
https://cladefinder.yseq.net/
and
https://ytree.morleydna.com/extractFromAutosomal
Ending the debate by blocking me won’t be surprising, because with you it always ends like that every time we have debates with you.
Of course I refute your comments to the extent that I specified that Eurasian markers are almost absent in Africa, whereas wherever the E is located, whether in Europe or Asia, there will be other markers. black Africans next door.
The E is linked to sickle cell anemia originating from the Gulf of Guinea where the E has the highest rate up to 100% among the Bassa/Bamileke of Cameroon and where the D0 another branch of the DE, big brother of the E has been found in Nigeria. The E has a fairly high rate in the Middle East, particularly in the Arabian Peninsula, but this is not surprising because we use philology, namely the written sources of eyewitnesses. Al-Maqrizi testifies that the blacks occupied/inhabited the Hejaz and Yemen, if I use the osteologist Sir Arthur Keith or Henry Field say that the oldest bones found in Arabia are African. In Arabia for example there is a high rate of the Fy (A-b) allelle ranging from 39% in Mecca/Jeddah to 75% in Jazan, there is hemoglobin C/S originating from black Africa. It is the same thing for Europe where African bones dating back to prehistory/antiquity have been found, whether in Romania/Dacia(Ionescu), in France(Albert Clement), in Spain(Fortes-Lima), so if the E (and other markers) are encountered there it is not surprising.
North Africa, I don’t talk about it because it’s the basis lol. On the other hand, for your part, I would like written and osteological sources proving the presence of Eurasians in sub-Saharan Africa dating back to prehistory/antiquity, proving the mixture with SSA blacks, even prior to the presence of blacks in Eurasia, thank you When I talk about SSA, I’m talking about black people and other people just like geneticists elsewhere lol, soon you’re going to say that the first inhabitants of the SSA were white or Eurasian?
On the other hand, I don’t know Rem’ Kemi….
black africans as a species are relatively new. When first encountered by White men, they didn’t even have a wheel.
” I would like written and osteological sources proving the presence of Eurasians in sub-Saharan Africa dating back to”… first of all, I don’t care what you would like, take a hike and don’t stop. You don’t have your own blog or youtube channel. You’re just another reparation leftist whiner begging for handouts.
I have never blocked any of you people when you come on my blog or youtube stirring up nonsense with your copy/paste theories from wikipedia that do not make any sense. I may have to start.
You are the best. You tell it like it is and should be respected among all in the genetics community.
The most diverse? White people are the only real diverse group with multiple eye,skin and hair colors.
I assumed you were from the left as you act like one. You may be some confused White kid.
Thank you
Eurasian markers are almost absent in Africa… R-V88?
Haplogroup R originates from Central Asia/India and not from Europe.
The R was brought back by populations from East Africa who were in contact with populations from Central Asia (where black African genes were also found, which proves that there was interbreeding. ), then from there, the V88 mutation was born in central Africa.
There is also R1b which was found in Central Africa but specialists explain this presence through Europeans over the last 550 years in Central Africa, where there is a high rate of interbreeding in Angola, Equatorial Guinea, Gabon.
The first inhabitants of southern Africa were Dutch,lol. Don’t know remi kemi,but you comment on their blog?
Lol the Dutch are the first inhabitants of incredible southern Africa, even you don’t believe it hence the fact of having put a ‘Lol’.
Black people were already present in Holland at the time of Rembrandt; he even had black neighbors.
Indeed, for me I had completely forgotten having posted on the site, so much so that it’s been a long time lol.
I’m sure you post on obscure outlier blogs across the internet. Must be hard to keep up with. Seek therapy.
Lol, No I don’t have a blog my dear friend, but I have been commenting on certain subjects for over 20 years now
LOL good. It’s gonna take you another 20 years to make up for the time you wasted on deleted comments. Go away, you bother me.
A virtual paradise until apartheid ended,lol.
OOA debunked, don’t worry I guessed you were a follower of the Out-Of-Eurasia theory lol. To tell you today I more easily accept the multicentric theory of the birth of the human race, with blacks born in Africa and whites or light-skinned people in Eurasia.
Don’t forget King Tut…
King Tut who died of sickle cell disease, a genetic disease born between the Sahara and the Gulf of Guinea, which mutated in 4 regions of Black Africa and which ended up spreading throughout the world, especially the Benin haplotype .
Besides, Sickle Cell Disease was found on mummies from the predynastic period and I’m surprised that you don’t say that it’s a Eurasian disease lol.
Haplogroups A and B were even found at a fairly high rate among the Copts, so I’m waiting for them to both be found on mummies to also attribute a Eurasian origin lol
You say that the lady who runs DNAXplained who is none other than Roberta Estes who has more than 35/40 years of career in the field of genetics and Ron Brown, are not geneticists, ok very good.
You give me your first and last name so that I can do research on you, see the works or articles/works that you have published, thank you
My name is on the blog if you bothered to look. Who are you? Just some afro-centric nobody. Roberta Estes is a hobbiest and nothing more. Aaron Brown is a failed actor and black supremacist that has a real problem with White people.
Give me your name,address,phone number and where you work so I can do some “research” on you.
No, I don’t see anything about you other than the acronym SCW and that you are passionate about anthropology. I’m not at all Afro-centrist but definitely not lol, unlike you who is Euro-centrist. You don’t need to know who I am because, unlike you, I don’t claim to be a specialist at all, I’ve been reading books and works for 35 years now. In my case, I cite specialists because I am not a geneticist. I asked you because you question the work of others without even taking the trouble to make comparisons with other research.
This your blog?
https://my.embarkvet.com/dog/kenda12
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I’ve never made the claim of being a “specialist” or anything else. I’m an amateur with an opinion and my own research. I don’t have financial baking from outside sources unlike those I have mentioned.
Pablo Estez lied and humiliated a whole group of people. Then laughs about it on PBS. “They just knew”, she said as she cackled like a witch.